better over the last four years, given what he was handed in this, when you heard bill clinton say that, bill clinton has not said that before. >> i could have done better. you could have done better. i think anybody who wasn't ideologically driven could have done better. >> what would you have done? >> sorry? >> the meaningful steps. >> what wouldn't you have done. >> we need jobs so therefore -- and we need exports so therefore the first thing you do is have the nlrb attack the number one exporter in the country on really preposterous grounds, then you in effect start yelling at business and threatening business and then you get on the tv and talk about las vegas and all of a sudden the hotel business dies. i mean, the answer is that we need leadership, not criticism. we need encouragement not discouragement and until that scenario changes i think the united states is quote/unquote, i hate to use this word, in a malaise. >> is that a function of new laws and legislation or a function of rhetoric? >> first of all it's both, okay, in other words, we hope that it's new laws. the reality

unemployment rate for the eight years of clinton as for the eight years of bush, 5.2, 5.3. >> but i'm looking at the last 60 years. >> right. >> cutting taxes and reducing regulations does not produce job growth. and the record backs it up. the record backs it up. >> but that's like talking in a vacuum without any of the external factors. >> not over 60 years. s acraze aas casey stengle saidn look it up. >> over 60 years the united states of america has always grown at about 3.2%. >> i'm talking about job creation. >> you can look it up. >> it is eloquent but the fact is you've got to have decisive ways of increasing investment in this country so you can create jobs that's going to require a change in the law, a change of policy, governor romney is being decisive about it and frankly the president looks very weak and indecisive and doesn't have a plan to make things better. what are we going to do, mark time for another four years? think of the damage that does not just to the country but to individual people. it's time for a change. >> ed, out of curiosity, what time frame was that o

makes it different this time because it's a lot of people still say -- you heard bill clinton, he put it in -- it's almost emblazoned now. >> four years ago, it deid feel different. >> now we are hearing that no one could have done better in job growth and that perception was supposedly different. we had people come in here that were thinking '80 was even worse. >> the new standard. we failed so this is good. >> the one thing that is helping the president is the rebound in home prices and the fact that i think -- because actually consumer sentiment is on the rise in the last couple of months. and i think a lot of that is that people are reading that home prices are getting better, they feel there's a turn in that market. and i think that's playing it, as well. the unemployment rate is still stubbornly high, but people don't feel all that bad and i think that's one of the reasons the stock market is doing well. >> the question is how many people are participating. >> front page article in the journal this morning is that despite the fact that we're sitting at a four year cycle high, we

him. >> yeah. >> if governor romney given bill clinton's speech and given the bump in the polls and the right track/wrong track stuff has improved. people have sort of come around to thinking that maybe it was a tough four years for anyone. can romney ever make the case that it is still a really bad economy that we're under? this is the worst recession. can he make it without looking nasty? >> i think he's got to make it. i think he's got to get people to look down the road and see the train wreck that's coming. >> not the one we've already had. >> 1.1 trillion in deficits racking up every year. we can run about 200 and keep the debt of gdp constant. which means we have a $900 billion tax increase coming. there's only about $1 trillion of income taxes. these are enormous tax increases that have to come. the president has fought every spending cut that's come along. he has a little bit, $50 billion from seniors and obama care to pay for some of obama care, but the rest of it will have to be covered by cost reduction, which he's fought every step of the way for taxes. >> i wonder, how

. but second -- >> it reminded me of hillary clinton four years ago. i had forgotten that i thought hillary clinton won in all those debates. i picked up a lot of the same mannerisms and that was before he was in the office. and could say i'm not used to -- >> he apparently kicked john kerry's butt in all the preparation. well, i've got a plan-apparently he just wasted him. they had high expectations because he kicked john kerry's -- the other thing, john, i read a couple places that it was a drag preparing for this. the next between weeks are going to be -- when's the next debate? >> vice presidential debate is next thursday. and two weeks from now the presidential. >> next two weeks will be a complete drag. >> but one other point about the substance. because we still don't know how swing voters, the people who are still -- how they view the two side by side. it is possible in a country as polarized as ours to really get your side going and think you really kicked the other guy's behind and find that it doesn't move the needle all that much. and we have to see that. but the other t

my seat. michael jordan was there. clinton called in. >> george bush was sitting next to michael jordan or near michael jordan. >> and 41 was there, too. >> yeah, my favorite was the tweet. they said, whatever, europe, go solve your debt crisis. >> yeah. >> that's kind of the sentiment. >> jack had talked earlier about the only thing that could get him away from football would have been the ryder cup. he saw probably every swing, too. >> i've had experiences myself with puts and stuff. and heart democratic break. so you have to feel like -- >> watching the reaction from both teams towards the end, they caught a couple in the "wall street journal." >> phil -- >> was that saturday? >> no, this was 17 after he would have -- justin rose hit that long put. phil can chip from behind the green on 17 and that would have won. that was -- >> tiger had one that almost went in. >> so that wasn't heartbreak there, he didn't know justin rose was going to hit a 30 footer and then win 18 either. what happened in homeland? explain to our viewers what it is. >> you watch it, too. >> i do. >> it's